tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7378807093271153119.post6824732646130858094..comments2023-06-20T02:25:36.578-07:00Comments on The Scholar's Stage: Vengeance As Justice: Passages I Highlighted in My Copy of "Eye for an Eye"T. Greerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04621529800248145193noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7378807093271153119.post-82570139602689461182020-12-04T05:08:15.759-08:002020-12-04T05:08:15.759-08:00Thanks for this article, a great read and well sou...Thanks for this article, a great read and well sourced!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7378807093271153119.post-26642114938153242752018-02-18T09:32:51.223-08:002018-02-18T09:32:51.223-08:00Forgive me for the late reply.
Your point makes ...Forgive me for the late reply. <br /><br />Your point makes more sense now. However, I don't think all the evidence quite lines up with it. <br /><br />The research of William Irons, Phillip Salzman (wrote about one of his books here: http://scholars-stage.blogspot.hk/2013/11/the-nomadic-survival-strategy-salzmans.html ), and a few others who have focused in on pastoral nomads show that it isT. Greerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04621529800248145193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7378807093271153119.post-13511936849903533532018-02-04T10:54:03.677-08:002018-02-04T10:54:03.677-08:001) That's hardly the point. The fact honor kil...1) That's hardly the point. The fact honor killings happen and happened as early as 200 years ago doesn't mean that there are not better systems of justice around. There are and there were, and Hamilton indeed was an architect of one.<br /><br />2) I know that propaganda isn't the right term, that's why I put it into the brackets. The point is - and this ties into 1) - neither theLuciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296440773873255879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7378807093271153119.post-44757786643624891052018-01-31T06:50:17.895-08:002018-01-31T06:50:17.895-08:001) Civilization did not move away from it in "...1) Civilization did <i>not</i> move away from it in "early" days. Alexander Hamilton died in a duel for his honor only two centuries ago!<br /><br />2) "Propaganda" is not the right term for Miller's sources. For one thing, many are intensely critical of the values they describe. <i>Njal's Saga</i>, the most famous of the sagas, is in many ways the greatest critique ofT. Greerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04621529800248145193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7378807093271153119.post-35063833062644053342018-01-29T13:39:08.019-08:002018-01-29T13:39:08.019-08:00In other words, the ancient Nordic, Greek and Bibl...In other words, the ancient Nordic, Greek and Biblical talionic societies, viewed through the lens of their own ancient "propaganda" left to us, are found honorable and virtuous. But the modern-day Middle-east and urban-ghettos talionic societies, viewed for what they are by (more-less) objective outsider, turn out to be rather nasty and dysfunctional. How come?<br /><br />Well, here&#Luciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296440773873255879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7378807093271153119.post-5297563226467726102018-01-27T00:36:13.648-08:002018-01-27T00:36:13.648-08:00“始祖至完顏部,居久之,其部人嘗殺它族之人,由是兩族交惡,哄鬥不能解。完顏部人謂始祖曰:「若能爲部人...“始祖至完顏部,居久之,其部人嘗殺它族之人,由是兩族交惡,哄鬥不能解。完顏部人謂始祖曰:「若能爲部人解此怨,使兩族不相殺,部有賢女,年六十而未嫁,當以相配,仍爲同部。」始祖曰:「諾。」乃自往諭之曰:「殺一人而鬥不解,損傷益多。曷若止誅首亂者一人,部內以物納償汝,可以無鬥,而且獲利焉。」怨家從之。乃爲約曰:「凡有殺傷人者,征其家人口一、馬十偶、牸牛十、黃金六兩,與所殺傷之家,即兩解,不得私鬥。」曰:「謹如約。」女直之俗,殺人償馬牛三十,自此始。既備償如約,部衆信服之,謝以青牛一,並許歸六十之婦。始祖乃以青牛爲聘禮而納之,並得其貲產。"<br /><br />金史, first chapter.spandrellhttp://bloodyshovel.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7378807093271153119.post-62358566643357858932018-01-26T15:08:46.994-08:002018-01-26T15:08:46.994-08:00Great post. Philip Carl Salzman's "Pastor...Great post. Philip Carl Salzman's "Pastoralism" and "Culture and Conflict in the Middle East" provide very clear analysis of how retaliation worked in the "segmented" societies of pastoralism. Basically, the various levels of lineage connection (individual, immediate family, extended family, lineage) balanced each other, depending which individuals the dispute Lorenzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00305933404442191098noreply@blogger.com